In this episode, Jesse Hake talks with author, professor, and executive leader Dr. Kelisha B. Graves about her book on educator and civil rights activist Nannie Helen Burroughs (1879 to 1961) as well as about what is broken and how we should respond to today’s predominant “factory model” of education. Our conversation also considered the educational legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr. and several other figures from “The Black Intellectual Tradition and the Great Conversation” course on ClassicalU.